Ever Notice… – Part 2: I Hate the Smell of Marriage Derangement Syndrome in the Spring

I generally like Michelangelo Signorile.  His OutQ show is the only thing on that ridiculous channel that I can stand in the least. (And that’s not a backhanded compliment to him.  His show really is good.  Derek and Romaine?  Not so much…or even at all.)

However…

Michelangelo Signorile, Sirius OutQ radio host and Huffington Post Gay Voices editor-at-large, said Thursday that President Barack Obama seemed to fear the political repercussions of fully supporting same sex marriage.

“Why can’t he simply be with the rest of the country with this?” he wondered during an appearance on The Young Turks. “I think there’s an irrational fear in the campaign and the White House.”

Seen recently on Facebook:

Seen a few minutes after that:

A good question.

My question, however, is this: If President Obama is a “political homophobe” for not willing to callously and carelessly negate the current anti-RepubliRush tidal wave by going whole hog in for something that may cause some or even many of the Independent/Republican women who are currently itching to vote against Republicans over the RepubliRush’s War on Women to vote against an incumbent Democratic president over, are all of the Democrats who have caved over the years on trans-inclusion on ENDA, SONDA, whatever the hell Maryland calls its gay-only actrocity, whatever the hell New Hampshire calls its gay-only actrocity, whatever the hell Delaware calls its gay-only actrocity, and whatever the hell Massachusetts calls its new-Jim Crow actrocity political transphobes?

No, not just St. Barney.

All of them.

Or does that only run in one direction?

Inquirin’ minds want to already know, but we’d like to hear all of you say it anyway…

just for the record.

This blog post is peaceable activity intended to express a political view and/or to provide information to others.

28 Responses to Ever Notice… – Part 2: I Hate the Smell of Marriage Derangement Syndrome in the Spring

  1. "Vic" says:

    Here’s an honest question and I’d like an honest answer. Yes or no.

    Is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 an atrocity because it does not cover gender identity?

    • Kathy says:

      Here’s an honest question – did the Civil Rights Act of 1964 cover just one group of people?

    • Katrina Rose says:

      Just because we don’t censor trolls here the way that trans-exterminationist sites censor trans women who aren’t trolls doesn’t mean that trolls get do demand that Fox-style diversion questions be answered – irrespective of which ID and IP you happen to be hiding behind at any given moment.

      If the Civil Rights Act of 1964 covered blacks who are American-born, native-English-speaking and purely of African descent but not blacks who are partially of white European descent or partially of Hispanic descent or who even pass for white though legally classified as black on their state-issued identification, then would “Vic” have any more knowledge of law than Mitt Romney’s dog?

  2. bugbrennan says:

    ” are all of the Democrats who have caved over the years on trans-inclusion on ENDA, SONDA, whatever the hell Maryland calls its gay-only actrocity, whatever the hell New Hampshire calls its gay-only actrocity, whatever the hell Delaware calls its gay-only actrocity, and whatever the hell Massachusetts calls its new-Jim Crow actrocity political transphobes?”

    Gender identity is a regressive concept. The comparison you and others make to Jim Crow is ahistorical and offensive.

    We will NEVER SUPPORT the definition of gender identity you and others continue to assert because it enshrines stereotypes into law. This is anti-female. See http://sexnotgender.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/the-stereotyping-definition-of-gender-identity/

    I am happy to be “transphobic” because “trans” as currently framed is regressive and deeply fucked up. Viva la transphobes!

    Also, “censorship” is an overused word.

    • Bianca Lynne says:

      “I-dentity (aka trans) politics is fundamentally LIBERTARIAN. It is ahistorical and acontextual. It essentializes sex stereotypes by renaming them consensual “gender identities.” It invisibilizes power structures that give rise to female oppression. It is anti-feminist. – Bess Hungerford”

      The owner of sexnotgender and co-writer of your letter to the UN. Why should any trans woman read anything posted by Ms. Hungerford in good faith?

      • Marja Erwin says:

        We need to get past ‘gender identity,’ but I think ‘gender identity’ is fundamentally illibertarian. It’s something that the gatekeeping establishment invented to explain us away and condition our behavior.

        Remember that John Money spoke of ‘gender identity/role’ and equated gender identity with gender roles. It invalidates the sex identities of those of us who do not conform to the associated gender roles. It encourages gatekeepers to pressure butch-of-center trans womyn to adopt more conventionally feminine clothing, behavior, etc., and to pressure femme-of-center trans men to adopt more conventionally masculine clothing, behavior, etc. And people can be pretty vulnerable in early transition, especially if they’re overwhelmed and are trying to get approval for hormone therapy.

        P.S. The comment system has been buggy lately. It keeps insisting I log in to a WordPress account I don’t have.

      • bugbrennan says:

        In good faith as to what? It’s clear you are anti-feminist. Her words are clear, as are mine. You embrace a regressive agenda. We oppose it.

      • Katrina Rose says:

        Lexicon, please?

      • Cromulent says:

        bugbrennan says:
        March 19, 2012 at 6:18 am

        Send me the link you got this from, I am happy to send them a letter!
        ===========================

        If you can spend time researching court records to find peoples birth names – you can do a simple google search on your own. I’m sure these orgs maintain websites so you can contact them directly & post on their blogs.

        Seriously? You don’t know of United ENDA? Were you unconscious through 2007? Or are you just dissembling?

      • friday jones says:

        “Or are you just dissembling?”

        The Buggy One, a liar? Does a bear defecate in the woods?

    • Cromulent says:

      The following groups, the people who run them & the innumerable people signing on to support not passing a civil rights bill that covered sexual orientation but excluded gender Identity will be surprised to find out that Cathy Brennan calls them homophobic.

      I look forward to seeing her call them out on their homophobia & trolling their blogs. Of course – that would assume she would ever target someone with even the tiniest amount of power. Which is sadly, a triumph of hope over experience.

      (pardon – it’s an older list – it doesn’t include all of the groups that singed)
      =========================

      National Organizations
      National Association of LGBT Community Centers
      National Black Justice Coalition
      National Center for Lesbian Rights
      National Center for Transgender Equality
      National Coalition for LGBT Health
      National Coalition for the Homeless
      National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs
      National Education Association’s Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Caucus
      National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce
      National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Inc.
      National Lawyers Guild (NLG)
      National Lesbian and Gay Law Association
      National Sexuality Resource Center
      National Stonewall Democrats
      National Student Genderblind Campaign
      National Transgender Advocacy Coalition
      National Youth Advocacy Coalition
      Advocates for Youth
      ALEPH: Alliance for Jewish Renewal
      Al-Fatiha Foundation for LGBTIQ Muslims
      The American Federation of Teachers Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Caucus
      American Institute of Bisexuality
      American Veterans For Equal Rights
      Astraea Lesbian Foundation For Justice
      Atticus Circle
      Bi Mental Health Professionals Association
      Bi Writers Association
      BiNet USA
      Bisexual Resource Center
      Campus Pride
      Center for Constitutional Rights
      The Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies in Religion and Ministry (CLGS)
      COLAGE (Children of Lesbians And Gays Everywhere)
      Community HIV/AIDS Mobilization Project (CHAMP)
      Consolidated Association of Pride (C.A.P.I.)
      The Consortium of Higher Education LGBT Resource Professionals
      Deaf Queer Resource Center
      DignityUSA
      Equality Federation
      Equality Project Investor Advocates
      eQualityGiving.org
      Faith In America, Inc.
      Families United Against Hate
      Family Equality Council (formerly Family Pride Coalition)
      Freedom to Marry
      FTM International
      Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders
      Gay and Lesbian Medical Association
      Gay Liberation Network
      Gay Men’s Health Crisis
      Gay-Straight Alliance Network
      Gender Odyssey
      GenderPAC
      Gender Education Center
      GenderQueer Revolution
      Gender Spectrum Education and Training
      Generation Y
      GLSEN – the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network
      Health and Wholeness Advocacy office of the United Church of Christ
      Health Initiatives for Youth (HIFY)
      Immigration Equality
      The International Association of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Coordinators
      International Court Council of the United States
      International Federation of Black Prides
      International Foundation for Gender Education
      Jewish Mosaic: National Center for Sexual and Gender Diversity
      Keshet
      KnowThyNeighbor
      La Fraternitie du Loup-Garou
      Lambda Legal
      The Lavender Caucus of the Green Party
      Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Rights Program at Human Rights Watch
      Lutherans Concerned/North America
      MAGNET (Media Advocates Giving National Equality To Trans)
      Matthew Shepard Foundation
      Marriage Equality USA
      Mautner Project: the National Lesbian Health Organization
      Metropolitan Community Churches
      More Light Presbyterians
      New Ways Ministry
      Out4Immigration
      Out & Equal Workplace Advocates
      Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays
      PFLAG Transgender Network (PFLAG TNET)
      Pride At Work, AFL-CIO
      Pride Foundation
      Queer Muslim Revolution
      Queers for Economic Justice
      QueerToday.com
      QSpirit
      Rainbow Alliance of the Deaf
      Reconciling Ministries Network (United Methodists)
      Religious Institute on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing
      Room for All
      Sigma Phi Beta Fraternity
      Soulforce
      Soulforce Q
      Stop Abuse For Everyone
      Straight Spouse Network
      TransEpiscopal
      Transgender American Veterans Association
      Transgender, Gender Variant & Intersex Justice Project
      Transgender Health Alliance (International)
      Transgender Law and Policy Institute
      Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund
      TransYouth Family Advocates
      The Trevor Project
      Unid@s
      The United Church of Christ Coalition for LGBT Concerns
      US Human Rights Network
      Women’s Alliance for Theology, Ethics and Ritual
      Woodhull Freedom Foundation
      World Professional Association for Transgender Health, Inc. (WPATH)

      State/Regional Organizations
      Alabama Gender Alliance
      ALLGO-A Statewide Queer People of Color Organization in Texas
      Alliance For Full Acceptance – South Carolina
      Arizona Transgender Alliance
      Basic Rights Oregon
      California Faith for Equality
      Center Advocates (Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
      Citizens For Equal Protection (Nebraska)
      Colorado Stonewall Democrats
      Colorado Stonewall Democrats Transgender Caucus
      Common Bond New Mexico Foundation (Albuquerque, NM)
      Community of Welcoming Congregations (OR, WA)
      Connecticut TransAdvocacy Coalition
      D.C. Anti Racist Action
      Democratic Party of Oregon Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Caucus
      Emerald City Transgender Social Club (Seattle, WA)
      Empire State Pride Agenda (New York)
      Equal Rights Colorado
      Equal Rights Washington
      Equality Advocates Pennsylvania
      Equality Alabama
      Equality Arizona
      Equality California
      Equality Florida
      Equality Illinois
      Equality Maine
      Equality New Mexico
      Equality North Carolina
      Equality Ohio
      Equality South Dakota
      Equality Texas
      Equality Utah
      Equality Virginia
      Fair Wisconsin
      Faith Family Fairness Alliance – Minnesota
      Florida’s Advocacy Coalition for Transgender Equality (FACT: Equality)
      Forward Montana
      The Freedom to Marry Coalition of Massachusetts
      FTMI Ohio
      Garden State Equality (New Jersey)
      Gay Straight Alliance for Safe Schools (Wisconsin)
      Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network (GLSEN) Washington State
      Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center of Colorado
      Gender Identity Center Of Colorado
      Gender Rights Advocacy Association of New Jersey
      Georgia Equality
      Granite State Stonewall Democrats (New Hampshire)
      Idaho Equality Committee of Your Family Friends and Neighbors
      Illinois Gender Advocates (IGA)
      Indiana Equality
      Indiana Fairness Alliance
      Indiana Transgender Rights Advocacy Alliance
      Iowa Pride Network (State of Iowa)
      It’s Time-North Carolina
      Kentucky Fairness Alliance
      The Legal Aid Society-Employment Law Center (California)
      Legal Marriage Alliance of Washington
      Love Makes A Family (Connecticut)
      Marriage Equality Rhode Island
      Massachusetts Chapter of The Transgender American Veterans Association (TAVA)
      Massachusetts Lesbian & Gay Bar Association
      Massachusetts Transgender Political Coalition
      MEGA Family Project (Georgia)
      Michigan Equality
      Minnesota Lavender Bar Association
      Minnesota Transgender Health Coalition
      Montana Human Rights Network
      New England Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender Veterans, Inc.
      New Hampshire Freedom to Marry Coalition
      New Hampshire Transgender Resources for Education and Empowerment (NH TREE)
      New Jersey Lesbian & Gay Coalition
      New Jersey Stonewall Democrats
      New Mexico GLBT Centers
      New York Association for Gender Rights Advocacy (NYAGRA)
      New York Trans Rights Organization
      The Northeast Gender Alliance (New York)
      Oklahomans for Equality
      Oregon Stonewall Democrats
      One Iowa
      OutFront Minnesota
      OutReach, Inc. (Wisconsin)
      PA Diversity Network
      PinkEssence Chapter of Minnesota
      The Pennsylvania Gay and Lesbian Alliance (PA-GALA)
      PFLAG South Carolina
      PFLAG-New Hampshire
      PROMO (Missouri)
      Pride At Work, Martin Luther King County WA Chapter
      R.U.1.2? Community Center (Vermont)
      Religious Coalition for Equality-Washington State
      Santa Cruz County Task Force for LGBTIQ Youth (Santa Cruz, CA)
      Stonewall DFL (Minnesota)
      S. U. R. E. Foundation (New Mexico)
      SAFE-NH (Stop Abuse For Everyone, New Hampshire)
      SC Gay & Lesbian Pride Movement
      South Carolina Equality Coalition
      Southern California Community of Transgender Individuals
      Tennessee Chapter of Transgender American Veterans Association (TAVA)
      Tennessee Equality Project
      Tennessee Transgender Political Coalition
      The Tennessee Vals
      Texas Association of Transsexual Support
      Texas Stonewall Democratic Caucus
      Tiffany Club of New England
      Trans Carolina (South and North Carolina)
      Transgender Education Association of Greater Washington D.C. (TGEA)
      Transgender Equality Rights Initiatives-Florida
      Transgender Law Center (California)
      TransGender Michigan
      TransOhio
      Triangle Foundation (Michigan)
      Trikone Northwest (Pacific Northwest)
      True Colors, Inc. (Connecticut)
      The Twenty Club (Connecticut)
      UAW Local 2865 (California)
      University of Minnesota Transgender Commission
      Utah Pride Center (State of Utah)
      Vermont TransAction (Burlington, VT)
      Washington Gender Alliance (Washington State)
      Washington State Stonewall Democrats
      Wisconsin Group Working for Equality
      Wyoming Equality

      Local Organizations
      A Chance For Change (Substance Abuse Education and Prevention)
      Affirmations (Detroit, MI)
      Albuquerque Pride
      Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club (San Francisco Bay Area, CA)
      Ally Action (San Francisco Bay Area)
      Alternative Counseling Center
      AMBI (Los Angeles)
      American Federation of Teachers – Michigan Local 3550 (Graduate Employees’ Organization)
      Audre Lorde Project (New York City)
      Bennington Pride Coalition (Bennington VT)
      BIENESTAR (Southern California)
      Billy DeFrank LGBT Community Center (Silicon Valley, CA)
      Boston Alliance of GLBT Youth
      Campus Alliance for Progress
      Capital District Gay and Lesbian Community Council, Inc. (Albany, NY)
      Center on Halsted (Chicago, IL)
      Chattanooga, TN LGBT Center
      Chicago Gender Society
      Christopher Street West / Los Angeles Pride
      Concord Outright (New Hampshire)
      Congregation Beth Simchat Torah (NYC)
      Coqsure (Portland, OR)
      Crystal Club (Central Ohio)
      Delta Lambda Phi, National Social Fraternity for Gay, Bisexual and Progressive Men, Rho Chapter (Long Beach, CA)
      District 202: GLBT Youth Center (Minneapolis, MN)
      The Diversity Center (Santa Cruz, CA)
      Eleanor Roosevelt Stonewall Democrats of Orange County California
      Elections Committee for the County of Orange (ECCO)
      Eon Youth Lounge (Southern Arizona)
      EqualityToledo Community Action
      Feminist Outlawz (Atlanta, GA)
      Feminist Toolshed (The University of Michigan)
      Fight OUT Loud (Ft. Lauderdale, FL)
      FTM Alliance of Los Angeles (Los Angeles, CA)
      FTMI San Buenaventura
      FTMI San Diego
      Gay & Lesbian Community Center of Southern Nevada
      Gay Activist Alliance in Morris County (NJ)
      Gay Alliance of the Genesee Valley
      Gay City Health Project (Seattle, WA)
      GLBTA Programs Office, University of Minnesota
      Gender Alliance of the South Sound (Puget Sound, WA)
      GenderPeace (Ft. Worth, Texas)
      Gentler Spirit Christian Church (Atlanta, GA)
      Goodrum Project (Southern Arizona)
      Greater Seattle Business Association (GSBA)
      Harvard University Transgender Task Force
      Harvey Milk Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender (LGBT) Democratic Club (San Francisco, CA)
      Healthy Teen Network
      Houston Equal Rights Alliance
      Houston GLBT Political Caucus
      Houston Transgender Unity Committee
      Hudson Valley LGBTQ Community Center
      Huron Valley Greens (Ann Arbor, MI)
      Ingersoll Gender Center (Seattle, WA)
      Inland Counties Stonewall Democrats (California)
      Institute for Judaism and Sexual Orientation at Hebrew Union College – Jewish Institute of Religion
      Jefferson County Democrats GLBT Caucus (Jefferson County, Colorado)
      Juxtaposed Center for Transformation (Atlanta, GA)
      Kaleidoscope Youth Center (Columbus, OH)
      Kansas City Anti-Violence Project
      KhushDC
      Knox Boyz of East Tennessee
      Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center (NYC)
      Lesbian,Gay,Bisexual,Transgender Community Center of Greater Cleveland
      LGBT Resource Center (Salt Lake City, UT)
      Liberty City Democratic Club (Philadelphia, PA)
      Lighthouse Community Center (Hayward, CA)
      The LOFT: the LGBT Community Center (Hudson Valley, NY)
      Long Island Lesbian Cancer Initiative (LILCI)
      Los Angeles Gay & Lesbian Center
      Lou Sullivan Society (San Francisco)
      Madison Area Transgender Association (Madison, Wisconsin)
      Minnesota GLBTA Campus Alliance
      Milwaukee LGBT Community Center
      Muhlenberg College Gay Straight Alliance (Allentown, PA)
      National Lawyers Guild San Francisco Bay Area Chapter
      Network/La Red (Boston, MA)
      New York Area Bisexual Network (NYABN)
      Northeastern PA Rainbow Alliance
      Northern Arizona Pride Association
      Northwest PA Trans Group
      Our Family Coalition (San Francisco Bay Area, CA)
      OutFront! (Philadelphia, PA)
      Pacific Center for Human Growth (San Francisco East Bay Area)
      Pagan Alliance (S.F. Bay Area, CA)
      Perpetual Transition (Memphis, TN)
      PAGE (Peak Area Gender Expressions) of Colorado Springs
      PFLAG Columbus, OH
      PFLAG Bryan/College Station ( TX )
      PFLAG Dayton (OH)
      PFLAG Detroit (MI )
      PFLAG Grass Valley (CA)
      PFLAG Lake Havasu City AZ
      PFLAG Phoenix (Phoenix, AZ)
      Pikes Peak Gay & Lesbian Community Center (Pride Center of Colorado Springs)
      Pink & Blues of Philadelphia
      Pride At Work, L.A. (Los Angeles, CA)
      Pride At Work, Martin Luther King County, WA Chapter
      The Pride Center (Akron, OH)
      PRIDE Institute of Texas
      Queer Asian Pacific Alliance (Boston, MA) Queer Justice League (New York, NY)
      Queers Without Borders, Hartford Connecticut
      Rainbow Center (Tacoma, WA)
      Rainbow Network (University of Michigan-Ann Arbor)
      Rainbow River Pride, Lake Havasu City AZ
      Resource Center of Dallas (North Texas)
      Rockway Institute
      Safe Schools Coalition (Seattle, WA)
      The San Antonio Gender Association (South Texas)
      San Diego Democratic Club
      San Diego LGBT Community Center
      San Francisco LGBT Community Center
      San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Celebration Committee
      Satrang (Southern California)
      Seacoast Outright (New Hampshire)
      Seattle GLBT Community Center
      Silicon Valley LGBT Democratic Club
      Social Welfare Action Alliance (The University of Michigan-Ann Arbor)
      South Bay Transmen (San Jose, CA)
      Southern Arizona Gender Alliance (SAGA) (Southern Arizona)
      SpeakOUT (Central Ohio)
      SpeakOut Boston
      Stonewall Columbus (Columbus, OH)
      Stonewall Democratic Club of New York City
      Stonewall Democrats of San Antonio
      Stonewall Democrats of Dallas
      Stonewall Democrats, University of Michigan Chapter
      Trans Equality LA
      TransActive Education & Advocacy
      Transcendence (Bowling Green State University)
      TransFamily of Cleveland
      Transgender Advocacy And Services Center Of San Diego
      Transgender Advocates of Central Texas
      Transgender at Work
      Transgender Detroit
      Transgender Health Action Coalition (Greater Delaware Valley)
      Transgender Health Empowerment, Inc. (Washington DC)
      TransMasculine Community Network
      Triangle Community Center (Norwalk, CT)
      UNITE Fort Lauderdale
      University of California, San Diego LGBT Resource Center
      University of Michigan Health System Pride Network, Employee Resource and Patient Advocacy Group (Ann Arbor, MI)
      Utah State University’s GLBTA Services
      Washtenaw Rainbow Action Project (WRAP)
      Wilson Resource Center (Arnolds Park, IA)
      Wingspan Anti-Violence Project (Southern Arizona)
      Wingspan LGBT Community Center (Southern Arizona)

  3. bugbrennan says:

    The phrase “Jim Crow” should NEVER be used by trans folx or gay folx. http://bugbrennan.com/2012/01/30/when-will-we-be-wed/

  4. Cromulent says:

    Race is not a scientifically valid concept. Yet people are discriminated against by those who consider it such. It’s a good and necessary thing to have nondiscrimination statutes that protect people against actions by bigots that occur due to their belief in race and attendent conceptions they have of people due to their being placed in those categories by bigots.

    To call the people being discriminated against bigots for seeking those protections based upon the beliefs of the bigots perpetrating the discrimination is to seek to deflect responsibility and to continue to discriminate. They are not responsible for the attitudes of bigots or in the position of power to have imposed the concept of race upon society. They are not responsible for conceptions of inherent differences in abilities or interests based upon this non valid concept – but it is necessary they be protected from it.

    Just saying race doesn’t exist and therefore people can’t be discriminated based upon it, that having such legislation is itself racist is a well recognized ploy of those who wish to discriminate. And the time honored “blame the victim” stratagem.

    But what else would one expect from the Karen Crowder of human rights?

  5. Cromulent says:

    To call something ahistorical and acontextual because it refers to a history and context other than the writers history and context is disengenuos. It’s important to remember that current nondiscrimination language was prompted by legal decisions that said that the discrimination protections based upon the category of sex did not cover change of sex. Too bad – anyone can fire you, anyone can refuse you service, anyone can refuse to rent to you, sell you a home, deny you credit.

    It presumes discrimination doesn’t occur based trans status – or that such discrimination is a good thing in the authors eyes. Perhaps she considers it character building.

  6. friday jones says:

    I guess The Bug and Old Bessie just see human beings being born as blank lumps of clay that are molded and fired by their childhood upbringing, and don’t believe in any sort of in-born personality traits. Even though it’s quite obvious that humans are born with personalities. Even monozygotal twins raised in exactly the same way generally have very different personalities. And newborn babies are loaded with personality.

    It’s not really a huge leap from there to consider that some personality traits that are coded as gendered are built-in at birth. The tragic David Reimer case informs us that you can’t suppress an in-born gendered identity no matter how much indoctrination to the contrary. We’re social creatures, and we want to experience our social interactions in the way that we self-identify.

    Don;t be mad at trans women, we’re not the ones who made you wear a dress and we’re not the ones who made you “act like a lady.” That was a completely different set of people with a much more rigid set of expectations regarding gender. Quit trying to punish us because of your anger at the people back home.

    • Katrina Rose says:

      I guess The Bug and Old Bessie just see human beings being born as blank lumps of clay that are molded and fired by their childhood upbringing….

      That is one of the near-countless flaws in Janice Raymond-ism.

      By her “logic” – and the “logic” of her acolytes – Clarence Thomas and Bridget McCain are white.

  7. TransGriot says:

    What are ‘political transphobes’, Kat?

  8. Bianca Lynne says:

    “In good faith as to what? It’s clear you are anti-feminist. Her words are clear, as are mine. You embrace a regressive agenda. We oppose it.”

    Actually, her words are NOT clear. “ahsitorical” and “acontextual”?? when there is both history and context for trans politics means what exactly? Trans politics is no more or less LIBERTARIAN than sexual orientation politics, so I’m not sure what her point is with that except to use spooky words to get the echo-chamber to pipe up with a few “amen”s.

    “Embracing a regressive agenda that supports sex-role stereotypes” – you all keep coming back to this when the reality is, it is quite the opposite. An easier fight would be to focus only on transition-as-medical. However, that leaves lots of people in the cold. That leaves fey gay men, who ARE fired, not employed, left to work crap paying retail jobs (I know, in radfemland fey gay men are as welcome as a fart in court) The reality on the street is that “feminine” gay men get crapped on even with sexual orientation protections – FOR BEING FEY. Protections that include both medical transition as well as the gendered crap that society decided falls on women and men is an attempt within a broken system to provide some measure of redress for as many people as possible. Find me a single case where a man (not transitioning M2F) sued and won a case of job related sex stereotyping.

    • Bianca Lynne says:

      “Good faith” You and Bess (who has a well known history of blatant anti-trans commentary as Undercover Punk) posting your letter the the UN in a space that is not only closed to participation by trans women, but openly hostile to the existence of trans women. You expect trans people to read, what may actually be a reasonable modification to existing trans* political goals given the above context and then act surprised when we don’t all jump up and down and than the non-trans ladies for figuring out what we need for us? And you call ME anti-feminist??!! Take a step back, look at the history and context and ask why lots of trans people don’t trust your or Bess’ motivations… honest request.

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