Ever Notice…

Re: the demanded re-election suicide gay marriage plank in the 2012 Democratic Party platform:

Several Democratic sources working with the committee have acknowledged that conversations were already underway about how to placate the pro-same-sex marriage majority inside the party without alienating culturally conservative Democrats in states like Ohio and North Carolina, where the convention is being held.

The usual apologists are giving the usual excuses. The DNC’s LGBT caucus isn’t even on board yet. Pathetic. Read the full article by Sam Stein and Amanda Terkel. They did some very good reporting on this one.

This could all be solved if the President would just evolve already. Instead, it’s clear we can expect more political kabuki as the DNC and OFA try to avoid doing what everyone knows should be done.

And, in case the DNC forgot, there’s an anti-gay referendum on the May 8th ballot in North Carolina, with which we could use some help. It’s called Amendment 1. I think the convention will be a lot more fun for people if Amendment 1 loses

Ever notice how unlikely it is that you’ll ever see non-trans gays and lesbians deploy, much less accept, phrases such as “incremental progress” and “the politics of the possible” and “more education is necessary” when it comes to expecting that everyone – from President Obama down to Dog Catcher Dave in Doofusville – accept gay marriage now and nothing less than gay marriage now?

In November, gay marriage will be on the ballots of Washington (12 electoral votes), Minnesota (10), Maine (4) – and in all likelihood Maryland (10).

In all but Minnesota, the issue will be there not solely because of anti-constitutionist theocrats forcing the issue.  In Washington there will be an anti-marriage ballot question in response to the pro-marriage law that the state’s legislature passed.  In Maryland there will be (in all likelihood) an anti-marriage ballot question in response to the pro-marriage law that the state’s legislature immorally ramrodded through without making any legitimate effort to address the far more basic civil rights needs of people who all who stand to benefit from Maryland gay marriage currently (and will continue to) have the legal right to discriminate against.

And in Maine, it will be on the ballot solely because gays forced a pro-marriage ballot question…

during a presidential election year.

If Rick Santorum is elected president in November by an electoral college margin traceable to any combination of those states going Republican via anti-marriage turnout, what will the “incremental progress for thee, but not for we” crowd do?

Blame black voters in California?

23 Responses to Ever Notice…

  1. Reading the article, and the Huffington Post article which provoked it, I am once again confronted with the decision… “LOL or Gag Me?”:

    “Everybody wants marriage and everybody wants the president to win. Those two things are easy,” one of those sources said. “The only question is what language do you use?”

    Finding an answer to that question has already proved difficult for top Obama aides, many of whom have personally experienced the fury of gay groups scorned.

    Thanks to a hardy constitution buttressed by prolonged exposure to Nietzsche, I always choose lulz!

    “I find it impossible to believe that this presidential election will be completed without Barack Obama coming out strongly for marriage equality and Mitt Romney coming out strongly against it,” said Hilary Rosen, a longtime party strategist who is deeply involved in LGBT causes. “I think it would be hard for him to not take a position.”

    I feel no doubt that Madam LaFarge… excuse me, Ms. Rosen… will cheer the tumbrels of justice along to the same kind of victories she “strategized” on behalf of the … the … the recording industry? And I say that with all sincerity, as I reach for the Kool-Aid and ponder the eternal question Dammit, where did I put my spoon?

  2. valeriekeefe says:

    I keep saying that if we want a wedge issue that splits the crazy fundies from the sane independents, we put an inclusive ENDA, which is supported by fully 50% of avowed heterosexists and 73% of the population as a whole, on the ballot and let the Republicans show just how out of touch they are, even in Texas.

    Nobody seems to listen, though.

    • Katrina Rose says:

      Sad thing is: The christianists’ poster child against the inclusivity will be Frank N. Furter, RuPaul or some other gay male drag queen who – beyond whatever Ru calls his ‘job’ – is less likely either to transition on the job, seek employment following transition or, for that matter, even to appear in the workplace in women’s clothing than the exterminationism twins are to make a coherent legal argument (or a coherent argument about anything, really).

      • valeriekeefe says:

        Let that be their poster child then. I really don’t care if dress codes become ala carte and neither, I think, do almost all of that aforementioned 73%. We have our wedge issue and we don’t have to do to drag queens what Barney Frank did to us, to be able to use it.

    • "Vic" says:

      People support ENDA only to the extent that they don’t think that it might cover trannies. If you thought that protections for trannies was so popular, you would have no problem having that voted on separately.

      BTW, do you still have a penis?

      • valeriekeefe says:

        Vic, you disingenuous moron, polling for a trans-exclusive ENDA is at 75%, so that’s a total of 2% who swing when trans folk are excluded, not even a majority of the cisGLB community agrees with you on that one.

        BTW, not like you’ll ever be able to verify whatever I tell you, regarding my body, dude.

      • Katrina Rose says:

        “Vic” can’t even verify that he actually exists.

  3. "Vic" says:

    What polls are you referring to? Is there a single poll that lays out what “gender identity” means? I’d love to see the response to a question as to whether crossdressers and transsexuals should be covered.

    But hey, if you have 3/4 of the people behind you, then why are you wasting so much time ranting about how gay people are not passing your law. Just get it done yourself. You’ll win by a landslide.

    Now about your cock, I promise I will take you at your word.

    • valeriekeefe says:

      Vic, go eat a bag of manclams.

    • valeriekeefe says:

      And you seem to be able to play bouncy bouncy with the IP addresses, I’m sure you could work a simple search engine.

    • Katrina Rose says:

      if you have 3/4 of the people behind you, then why are you wasting so much time ranting about how gay people are not passing your law

      If that many (or more) of the people are behind you and your desired Jim Crow ENDA, then why are people like you whining about how non-evolved politicians won’t pass ENDA and all of that gay-pure stuff you pure gays want?

      • "Vic" says:

        It won’t pass because we have included men in dresses. Take that out and it will pass.

      • friday jones says:

        Actually I think it’s just that people are afraid of aggressive homosexual men in their bathrooms and changing rooms. Take out the gay men and ENDA would SAIL through congress! :p

      • valeriekeefe says:

        Vic, both these things will pass. People don’t think it’s legitimate to discriminate, for employment purposes, on basis of presentation, identification, or orientation.

        What we have now is a prisoner’s dilemma, because all of these employers are afraid of incurring the wrath of the 27%, which includes people like you and Germaine Greer, that comes from being an early mover.

      • TransGriot says:

        ‘Victoria, they tried that trans free ENDA stunt in 2007…it failed miserably.

    • friday jones says:

      I think I know why Vic is so interested in what’s in your pants: He somehow got the impression that you’re under eighteen.

  4. valeriekeefe says:

    Honestly, I don’t think they get away with the same play in 2012 that they got away with in 2004. Same-legal-sex marriage isn’t the wedge it was then, it isn’t as universally unpopular now as it was then, and Obama, merely by dint of being black and president, though mainly the second one, will motivate right-wing voters out to the polls. Let Santorum get on stage and do his impression of Vic for three months and it’ll mean 30 electoral votes for the Democrats.

  5. "Vic" says:


    In regard to bestiality, I am not the one whose relationships are exclusively with cats.

  6. friday jones says:

    Vic is afraid of cats, because they rile up the gerbil in his rectum and it tears him up something fierce.

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